#2 Joe without Glasses?

Our second episode is perhaps one of the two best episodes we have ever recorded. 

Some urgent questions arise: what have we thought by starting this? Is Joe Irish? Why is he trying to speak German at his next conference? And how will he look without glasses? 👀

We are also learning more about the 2026 Release Wave 1 Updates, our favorite announcements, and focusing a bit on the fastest-growing business application. Can you guess which one it could be? 

You want to redo the 'Pastry-Burger'? Here are the instructions: https://www.instagram.com/reel/DWa52THDIwB/?igsh=MWN1bGdoYjdybnlzcg==

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Links / Shout-Outs

Nutella in Space: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3uKvKgasB4

In space, no one can hear Outlook scream: https://www.youtube.com/shorts/p5cFkLhwmik

Dynamics 365 Project Operations Release Wave 1 2026 Notes: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dynamics365/release-plan/2026wave1/enterprise-resource-planning/dynamics365-project-operations/

ColorCloud: https://colorcloud.rocks/

Transcript

SPEAKER_00 0:02

So you seriously want me to do the chest pumping again?

SPEAKER_01 0:04

No, no, definitely not, definitely not, definitely not. No chest pumping. No, don't do this. No.

SPEAKER_00 0:16

Yeah, this is it. So Sebastian, as I keep saying to you, we need to be putting in people, we need to be doing you know regular features and just stupid stupid shit like this. So give the public what they want. I I've decided they want this.

SPEAKER_01 0:31

So the the podcast listeners won't won't see that. They they they will sorry, as a podcast listener, do you expect that they stop the episode, go to YouTube, scroll to second 25?

SPEAKER_00 0:45

We show them what they're missing. We show them what they're missing.

SPEAKER_01 0:49

Hello everyone. Welcome everyone.

SPEAKER_00 0:52

Yeah, welcome to unresolved dependencies. Still trying to resolve them, even after two weeks.

SPEAKER_01 0:57

There is still unresolved episode two. Yes, we have if you're on YouTube and you see fancy shit going on on the left or right of myself. Welcome. Um, if you're on YouTube, you also see that we're wearing the same stuff because you are getting a double feature. Um, you're basically in one sitting and recording so much transparency and recording the first two sessions right ahead that you can basically listen to episode as an one as an intro. Episode two is is a little more, I think, closer to what we want to do.

SPEAKER_00 1:31

Let's see, uh, usually this would be the point I'd sort of say ask Sebastian how he is, but I don't care today because I've literally been I've been on this for about nearly two hours now, nearly it feels like feels like two hours. Maybe it was okay.

SPEAKER_01 1:42

If you if you have your technical problems, I uh my fault.

SPEAKER_00 1:48

Time is stretched out for me. Yeah, this is my old brain talking. Um, but yeah, we usually we don't have to we we don't have to do any of the usual.

SPEAKER_01 1:55

What is the what is the zoom size of the applications? Is it below 300 percent? For me that you can see things. Do you have like a do you have like a do you have like a big blue mouse cursor on your screen that you can find things to click on?

SPEAKER_00 2:12

Uh well actually so funny fact, so on my personal PC here, it's quite small, but on my work one, it is quite deliberately big. But yeah, I take these glasses off. This is all just a blur to me at the moment. Are you? Um, I'm hopefully fingers crossed, going to be getting the old laser surgery done um later on this year. Um, I need to go in and do another consultation again because apparently you can only perceive when you've only had um a consultation in the past six months and I took too long. So yeah, so you so you may eventually see this, see this, yeah. See maybe you can get maybe this is a face you get used to. Who knows? It's a totally different man. Totally different man, yeah, exactly. Yeah, fantastic, fantastic, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 2:56

Yeah, my name is Zeb. I'm here with Joe.

SPEAKER_00 2:58

You're here with Joe, yeah. We should probably agree with ourselves. So, yeah, hopefully you already know who you are. You've listened to the first episode, but if you've you've just joined us, this is the second episode.

SPEAKER_01 3:05

Thank you for that.

SPEAKER_00 3:06

This is the second episode, yeah. So we're here, we're talking about stuff. Uh, we've hopefully got quite a good agenda today um for stuff to sort of talk about. And yeah, we're just here, just um, you know, as I mentioned last week, this is our this is our sort of last attempt to salvage this friendship, this podcast.

SPEAKER_01 3:22

So yeah, it could be, and it's not an application live cycle management podcast. We are very sorry for that. We apologize in the last and first episode that this was the pulproots guy, so it's not going to happen. Um, we will may talk about some LM features when this is fun again, but for right now, we just keep it as loose as it is at the moment.

SPEAKER_00 3:46

As loose as an as loose as an astronaut flying in the sky somewhere in the Artemis 2 sort of drone. So I don't know.

SPEAKER_01 3:54

Did you hear about that? Their toilet is broken. I I just want to like hijack this topic from the very first second on, because this is all what I can think of once this like rocket ship has started from the US somewhere in the US, I don't know, and their toilet is broken. I think they have they cannot go to the toilet.

SPEAKER_00 4:18

So you're gonna have to hold it in. That's a long time to hold it in.

SPEAKER_01 4:21

There's a long time, and and you figured who figured out that the toilet is broken? Is there like there's no I don't imagine that there's like a lamp or there's a sign over the toilet is like function and not function, and there's no graphics. There is no crap. No, it's like it's like everything is flying around. Like how does it sort of how yeah? Who's the who's the first guy sitting on this obviously it's a guy, um, sitting on on this toilet and like shit? This is not working. This is broken. What should I do? And he's like sitting there with us.

SPEAKER_00 4:58

Yeah, if someone wants to drop us an email with to explain how how this would work and that you know this stuff like that, yeah. Hello at unresolved dependencies.com. We're happy to hear from you. My only two things to contribute to the whole Artemis 2 thing was I think I saw a clip of video of the internet was going wild over a Nutella, very German Nutella sort of thing flying overhead. The internet went crazy for that. And then I think as well there was a snippet of a recording where they were saying, okay, the Microsoft Outlook isn't working. Um, so clearly you need, you know, a critical email sending application to go to space. You know, you know, screw having all of these sort of like you know, code on punch papers, screw having five kilobytes of memory to, you know, outlook is what you need to get into space. So those are the only two meaningful contributions I can make, meaningful contributions I can make.

SPEAKER_01 5:42

I thought I could get rid of Outlook as soon as possible, but if it gets us to space, never, never.

SPEAKER_00 5:47

Outlook is gonna be here for at least another 10-15 years for sure. Because that's how long you're gonna have to convince people to wild guys with Joseph Griffin.

SPEAKER_01 5:57

All right.

SPEAKER_00 5:58

Well, guess it's new feature. Um should we get back? Should we should we get back to our making this scheduled?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

I I have one more I have one more topic to brought it. Okay, so I so I wonder I'm gonna write something because you mentioned Mutella and decided, oh, this is a German thing. Actually, it's from Italy, but never mind.

SPEAKER_00 6:12

Um I thought it was though. You always see Germany, you always see Germans enjoying it.

SPEAKER_01 6:17

Is it it? I think it's it's just a mythos that like people eating this for breakfast, and I ate the for breakfast for like 10 years. That maybe explains why I was fed as a child. This is a different topic. I actually wanna wanna bow or like take the cross to um to chocolate in general. How how is Eastern in the UK? Do you celebrate it? We do happen.

SPEAKER_00 6:45

We do. We have a public holiday, Easter Friday and Easter Monday. Sorry, sorry, good Good Friday. Um, I was getting into a debate with someone. No, no, it's good Friday, but I was getting into a debate with someone because okay, why is it is it good because that's the day of the resurrection? Is it good because that was the day he was? I just couldn't figure out what the significance was. So again, Antonia postcard, if you know. So I used to be a good Catholic boy, but that but those days are long behind us.

SPEAKER_01 7:16

So there is a joke in Germany which I won't make.

SPEAKER_00 7:21

Um yeah, but yeah, so we we have the bank holidays, um, yeah, we have lots of chocolates, of course, and then we do things like um egg hunts and stuff like that, uh bunnies and all that sort of stuff.

SPEAKER_01 7:33

But you also put like like colour on the egg and stuff like that, and yeah, yeah, all that sort of stuff, yeah. So I because I did this this year for the very first time by myself. Um the last time all on my own because my my parents used to do it, my dad used to do it, and then I I got like an Eastern ad from my parents, like every year, despite I'm like 35.

SPEAKER_00 7:56

I just got this picture of you just sat in the garden, it's raining, you just trying to paint your little egg, and you just all the time.

SPEAKER_01 8:03

I I still I still get stuff from my parents, so I but like this time because I I moved to different places and now I live with my girlfriend. Um, I I tried it for the first time all by myself because like last time I did it, it was like I was like, I don't know, eight, and I did it with my dad, and when I was nine, it was too boring for me, like school already and driving skateboard. Different story, and um okay I tried again that's for next time. I I wonder because we're in episode two, how many like next times we already have because I counted more than five.

SPEAKER_00 8:40

Exactly. Yeah, it's good.

SPEAKER_01 8:42

We're just building up content, it's yeah, we will build we build expectations, that's not good. Um so in this time I tried it by myself, and I was like, is like everyone doing this? Like it was standing there on a Sunday morning and like cooking acts and putting them into colour, and it was like doing some stuff on it, and it was it was fucking amazing. I really could do this every every week. So I I know basically like eating acts, so it's hard cooked old acts, so it's very nice. Yeah, I just came up with like how it is for you, but it's I think it's literally the same overall in Europe.

SPEAKER_00 9:13

There is no I think I think um we may not care to admit it, but I think there were quite a lot, we're quite a lot similar in the UK and the Germans than we don't really care to admit, unfortunately, or fortunately, basically respective. So, you know, this is you know, we yeah, our monarchs are literally German, you know. So this is this is this is this funny.

SPEAKER_01 9:31

What?

SPEAKER_00 9:32

Yeah, so fun fact. So this is my history note here. So the House of Windsor, it used to be called the House of Sachs Coburg Guther. Um, uh when Victoria managed uh managed, uh married uh Prince Albert and started.

SPEAKER_01 9:45

Maybe also managed, maybe it was a managed environment.

SPEAKER_00 9:48

It was a managed environment, yeah. Manage, manage, manage marriage.

SPEAKER_01 9:51

Here is your LM joke. Yeah, that's enough duty.

SPEAKER_00 9:54

But then they then they changed it during the um uh I think 1915, 1916, um uh because it was too German sounding. Uh and of course, during that time, um sounding German or being German wasn't too popular over here. I wonder what the reason was for that. So so they renamed it as the uh House of Windsor. Uh the Kaiser at the time saw the joke that he was gonna go off and see Shakespeare's famous play, uh The Merry Wives of Sachs Kobergha. So there you go. So I'm full of all this good facts.

SPEAKER_01 10:26

These are not gonna lie, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 10:31

That's interesting. There you go. I've never heard about this.

SPEAKER_01 10:34

The only Kaiser I know is Franz Beckenbauer. So this is the different yeah.

SPEAKER_00 10:39

Speaking of it, but speaking of interesting things, you want to hear about my travels again, always.

SPEAKER_01 10:43

Oh, yeah. Where where are you next, Joey? What is happening?

SPEAKER_00 10:46

Well, this is where we play our next sort of feature. So this is our regular sort of feature. Um, so we'll announce the winner of the first episode next time, uh, because mentioned we're recording this sort of back to back. Um, so yeah, do get your answers in if you're interested in that. Hello, unresolveddependencies.com. Uh my clue for this week uh is as follows. So I am next going to be in a city uh that's not actually famous for its tasty and juicy namesake, but it's but it's actually more famous for being um host to the most colourful event in all of Europe that takes place uh every single year. Which city am I talking about? And it may be easy to guess based on based on a few different sort of factors, but yeah, let us know. Send an email through hello unresolved dependencies.com. We'll give you a nice little shout out. And once we've um spent all of our inheritance on merch for this podcast, we'll try and also maybe get something nice uh towards you as well.

SPEAKER_01 11:39

So we still did not get any merch for this one, just to make sure that my parents don't listen to this.

SPEAKER_00 11:45

Yeah, we will do. We're just we're just we will do, yeah. We're gonna yellow it. It's gonna be it's gonna be a few drinks one night, and it's just gonna be like, yeah, let's let's do it.

SPEAKER_01 11:53

Let's do it. I can see that definitely happening.

SPEAKER_00 11:55

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_01 11:56

So can I guess where where it could be?

SPEAKER_00 11:59

Yeah, go on.

SPEAKER_01 12:00

Is it Dublin? Dublin.

SPEAKER_00 12:02

Dublin's quite well the sky's not the people are colourful.

SPEAKER_01 12:07

I'm not talking about the sky.

SPEAKER_00 12:09

I'm talking about the people are colourful, um, in terms of how they express themselves. Um, quite similar to me because I'm I'm half Irish, so you know I can basically I I can rip into this as much as I want.

SPEAKER_01 12:20

Yeah, it's it it took like one and a half episodes with this come out that you're half Irish.

SPEAKER_00 12:27

Yeah, did you know I'm also an MVP as well?

SPEAKER_01 12:30

Yeah, you are. Can you explain more about that?

SPEAKER_00 12:33

We we all we've already spoken about all of that, but yeah, so yeah, so obviously you always have to say I I say it a lot. Um maybe, maybe it's because I'm proud of it, maybe I'm just you know trying to claim some sort of identity back. I'm like those, like those, you know, Americans who go back to Ireland just like second, third generation, like, oh this is amazing, we're Irish. No, you know.

SPEAKER_01 12:53

There's a family guy up easy of them, which I'm going back to Ireland, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 12:57

I am I am not Irish as all. If I go over to Dublin, they're just gonna look at me and go, just peck off in between. Literally, it will do.

SPEAKER_01 13:04

So it's it's not Dublin, you're not going to Dublin.

SPEAKER_00 13:07

We're not not going to Dublin. Oh, Dublin is very good. You always got to go to Dublin, uh, go for a pint of Guinness. Uh, always up for the crack in Dublin. So very much we recommend you go see it.

SPEAKER_01 13:15

I I definitely want to have this shootout. Sorry, that's that's why I'm trying to guess every episode what it could be.

SPEAKER_00 13:20

And Dublin has some pretty good places to eat as well. And this is my segue into our next regular feature, Sebastian's Eats. What have you been eating, Sebastian? We want to know what interesting things you've been eating. Um, because you'd like to eat before you talked about this.

SPEAKER_01 13:37

Yeah, you you keep it short this time that I like to eat without any hesitant explanation why it was cooked the case, or how you can do it.

SPEAKER_00 13:45

I thought I was complimenting you last time. I thought it was complimenting you last time.

SPEAKER_01 13:52

So, yeah, what I what I have eaten. Um actually that's a bit tough to describe because um I don't know how it's correctly if this is even existing in the UK cuisine.

SPEAKER_00 14:11

Um cuisine is just you know, yes, chicken, chicken dinosaurs and happy faces and beans. That's that's the extended thing.

SPEAKER_01 14:18

Yeah, especially beans. I don't like that. Um but basically it's like your so imagine with your eyes and your head um some puff pastry. So um it's like your but it's but it's not like a pastry itself, it's just like the the puff pastry around it, right? You can just buy that in Germany in the supermarket, and it's just like the um the dough basically, and then you can do whatever you want with it. And what we have done is we have um made burgers with it. So we have um rolled it out, and then we have four pieces of it, and then we put in some cheese, some uh ground beef, um some tomatoes, and what else it was? Um some cucumber, I think, of course, some some ketchup and mayo for and I had some chili cheese sauce and then some cheese on top, and then you fold everything like together that you have like these little like packages, and um then you put like some egg with uh milk on top of it so that it kind of um sustains the heat and gets like a bit um crunchy, and then you put it into the air fryer for like 12 to 15 minutes, and then you have like a little like burger-like package, which is a mixture of uh maybe a kebab and a burger uh with some pastry around it, and it was very delicious, actually. So it was a very weird but delicious experience.

SPEAKER_00 15:58

Sounds fucking lush, as we'd say around my way.

SPEAKER_01 16:01

What is lush?

SPEAKER_00 16:02

Lush, it's it's brilliant, awesome.

SPEAKER_01 16:04

Brilliant. Oh yeah, it was really tasty, and we made fries with it, so fries with just like some ketchup and Mario, basically.

SPEAKER_00 16:11

I've never heard this before, so maybe we can drop a recipe link or a Wikipedia, whatever page.

SPEAKER_01 16:16

Yes, I I think there's I think it was it is based on my um on my beloved girlfriend's um Instagram feed. So I will find perhaps the link to it and we will put it into the chat. Because I I don't I may need to start making pictures of the feed when I'm already talking to you.

SPEAKER_00 16:37

That would be good. We could have like a like a underneath just some picture of pictures of what you're what you've eaten, maybe with you you know doing like a like a thumbs up or a but like a Gen Z kind of reaction, maybe. No, no, how about before and after with time stamps? No, no, no, because you can't you can demolish this stuff. I've literally I've got photos of you like you know.

SPEAKER_01 16:56

I can also I can also eat like in normal hum prison, I think if you try hard, if you focus, maybe maybe tried it, could be a challenge, could be a challenge. Uh like the next time we meet each other.

SPEAKER_00 17:22

Cool, but no, sounds sounds pretty tasty.

SPEAKER_01 17:24

Yeah, it was, it was really good.

SPEAKER_00 17:26

Yeah, great. So let's actually get into some good stuff, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 17:31

Let's maybe um talk about like real practical stuff, which is also maybe interesting for our audience if they have a technical background. Um basically, so what is happening? Um, first of all, I want to maybe talk about um the March updates in and with that as well the release wave updates for um the forty operations because as you know, we both are a little bit like project operations affine. I want to say. I don't know if this is an English word.

SPEAKER_00 18:04

Um we're the only two only two people who left who can say that, really. Is that right?

SPEAKER_01 18:10

Or I I I I this is an insult to everyone who likes projuberations out there.

SPEAKER_00 18:17

No, there are there are more. Uh there are more.

SPEAKER_01 18:19

There are many more people than two years ago.

SPEAKER_00 18:22

Exactly, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 18:23

We at least have doubled, and there are at least four people I know personally who are doing a lot of projuberations.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

I think it's I think is it correct? It's one of the fastest growing of all of the Dynamics 365 apps in terms of growth. And I mean, when you look at the release wave notes, there's actually what's nice is there's a lot, and actually there's a lot in there which um is actually focusing on some practical sort of value, you know, rather than maybe being just maybe too Gen AI focused. You know, we obviously Gen AI has a good place and purpose, has a good sort of can add some good value over there, but actually we're seeing some really quite fundamental improvements occurring there.

SPEAKER_01 18:56

Yes, really quick. Absolutely. So um, if you have not checked it out, um have a look at the release web. There's so many fun stuff on it, and so many things which are really um nice. And one of the first things that catch my eye are what if scenarios, because what if scenarios, like what if I've never met Joey? So I I think about this like at least once a day. So this really helps you to estimate the outcome to understand what could have been, right? And this is like what our head is constantly doing.

SPEAKER_00 19:28

You're right, you could be multi-y could be a multimillionaire by now, you could be living on the beach somewhere, you know. So all of these great things could have happened in your life without everything, but but not having a podcast with you.

SPEAKER_01 19:39

Yeah, everything could have happened. So with whatever scenarios, so and the and the best thing, like you can basically with the March update. I think it's called March update. I just called it March update because it was in March.

SPEAKER_00 19:50

Release wave one, they call it, don't they, technically, or something.

SPEAKER_01 19:53

No, it's actually the latest update just of projuberation that releases on a monthly basis.

SPEAKER_00 19:58

So of course, yeah, because they they they do the updates.

SPEAKER_01 20:01

You sometimes they'll push them automatically, but sometimes you have to go and yeah, they just do it like on a monthly base, and then you get like new features in. And it's it's so annoying to keep up with that, in annoying in a good way, I want to say. Um, but with with that one, um, what if scenarios you can try now uh what if scenarios on um the quote, and for example, then adjust if you want to may use different resources, if you differ different scope and stuff like that, and you can adjust like the um the filters on that and um see how this reflects on um your project budget for your quotation. And the nice thing about what we already know from the release wave is that we learned that these what if scenarios not only be there on the quote level but also on the project plan, so you can easily maybe substitute resources like Joe, um, or for example, find cheaper resources like the UK, like not Joe, not Joey, hey, yeah, and uh or like not Sebastian. Um or and as well, this comes as well to not only the project and code, but also to the project budgeting. And I think the project budgeting is one of the most overlooked features there in projecations because it basically is one of the key aspects why you really want to have to uh drive projecations in your organization. Um, because so what I think is that project operations is just not like a project planning tool, it's more like a cost tool for you um as an organization. So you want to figure out if that makes sense, if um that investment makes sense for the with the customer, because sometimes you also have projects where you just do it for the prestige of having the customer on your homepage, or to make a step into the door um into this industry, or you may have some upscaling potential. And with that, you can all monitor that. And the budget is more or less the step that happens after the estimation. Um, so you're leaving the estimation and cost evaluation from your task planning, and then you go into execution, and this is where you're reporting your actuals against uh to and having their some um what-if scenario analyzes to to make decisions much more easier could be really so much potential in it that I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on. I'm I'm currently trying to have a video on at least the the quote side for for this what if is uh scenarios, the vendors is out, and maybe the video is already out in my LinkedIn, so maybe this is there. But yeah, this is this is definitely something um so much new features and so much great things. Do you do you have like your favorite feature of the release wave?

SPEAKER_00 22:59

So what's interesting to see because there were some changes um uh sort of a while back. So effectively, the what used to be the field, what is still the field service application, that's now technically an ERP, ERP application. It's under the AI ERP sort of category. So it's been looked after by uh Geosh Gail, I can't pronounce his name, but Gail Glanchlick.

SPEAKER_01 23:18

Geo Glanchnik, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 23:19

Yeah, uh team and all that sort of stuff. So what we're now starting to see, we can tease out through the sort of release wave notes, is much more of a tighter integration going on there. So, you know, for example, the ability from a project task, for example, to go and create work orders specifically, you know, tying this together in a much sort of nicer way. So, you know, things like that, you know, I'm always a big fan of these nice, easy ways that we can get these different apps sort of integrated together because it really then starts to talk about you know the whole point of why we want to have Dynamics Physics 5 in the equation in the first place. Uh, because you know it's one data source, everything plays nicely together, we don't have to worry about having to do these complex integrations, all this other good stuff. So the more we can achieve this kind of cross-app harmony, I'll go with that, why not? Uh you know, the better from my standpoint. So it's good to see that that's going to be um out by July, all being well. Um as you said um uh Sebastian already, in terms of yeah, you just need to make sure that you are installing those uh update roll-ups, I think they call them. Um yeah, you have to keep an eye out sometimes. I've been burned on this web projects before because sometimes they will push out the update roll-ups to certain environments automatically, and you'll wonder one day why your deployment pipelines suddenly break and things like that. So it's always best automatically elected with it.

SPEAKER_01 24:31

Yeah, it definitely can happen. It definitely depends on like what the feature set is in in this update. If it's mainly like backfixes, they would just push it. But also for production environment, you always need to um trigger the button, at least when you want to have the latest one, and as well, it makes sense to may check your release um channel on the PPAC settings because if the set you monthly, you always get the latest one as well. The preview for the release late one. They have changed us a little bit up this year. Um, maybe sticking with projuberations, um, there is as well some community event which um is coming up very soon, where I also will talk about projuberations at Color Cloud in Hamburg, and there is also um some kind of um session from your side, I think. And I also will talk about two, in fact. So I'm busy. I know about one because this one is very special. Maybe you want to quickly give or small hint about that.

SPEAKER_00 25:32

So, you know, you you've seen me here trying to speak English uh and probably failing half the time. So why not come and see me try and speak German? You know, ambition deutschener. Failing all the time, failing all the time, yeah. So um a bit as a bit of a uh a kick up the backside, and you know, to obviously, you know, give, you know, I work with I've got German business partners, I've got nice German colleagues, like Sebastian over here, want to speak a bit of the language. So I'm doing an entire session on in German. I'm going to be showing you how to build a co-pilot studio agent, uh, and uh it's going to be well kind of English, probably maybe ambition English, um, throughout the sort of session, because you know that you I think you said this actually last year. You had to literally sit down for your German-speaking presentation, and basically it just ended up you being be saying basically you were talking like um uh mitbei co-pilot studios, um power platform and uh uh managed solution. It is basically just a bunch of English words followed by Germany.

SPEAKER_01 26:34

Yeah, the German words are just the pillars in between to build the sandwiches, and like presenting in German is or for me is like pure pain because like everything that happens work related happens in English in my heart. So I don't think about work topics in German, and suddenly I then need to present in German, that's super tough. I I I think I I need to double check that, but I think none of my two sessions because the other one is with the other one is with Andrew Bibi, and we talk about agents and agent builder versus copilot studio. So there's a nice standoff. Um I don't think this will be in German, but maybe Andrew will surprise me.

SPEAKER_00 27:13

I mean that'll be quite good, yeah. So 25 minutes of me trying to speak German, and you might learn something about Copilot Studio. Yeah, that's the German, actually, and some German. So that's one thing I'm doing there, and then I'm also very pleased to be uh doing our uh workshop again uh with Catherine Bruvolt from Norway, um all about beautiful apps. Uh we've got a nice little hashtag noFoobly apps. Um so yeah, if you want to learn how to build better and more beautiful apps using things like you know, custom pages, using HTML, CSS, uh maybe we'll also have a bit of cheeky vibe coding in there as well, uh, you know, just to just to show you what's possible there. So yeah, a nice all-day workshop where you can learn about all of that. So yeah, CutterCloud's a really great event. This is gonna be my third one. Um and yeah, it's always and this is actually the first time I'm gonna be able to stay over in Hamburg and actually see the city as well. So nice. Um so that that'll be even better.

SPEAKER_01 28:04

So yeah, so definitely, definitely um ver um discovering the city. It's very nice. It's it's one one of the better cities in Germany, I would say. Wonder more to really explore. Um, I think it's very nice with the harbor and stuff like that.

SPEAKER_00 28:20

So yeah, okay.

SPEAKER_01 28:22

Yeah, yeah. I and I think um maybe for the next time we can as well talk more about events like Color Cloud, where we um how do you, for example, secure yourself our speaker slot there, or like how do you even come up with session ideas and stuff like that. So we really want to um make this as well one of the topics or one of the key topics of of this discussion here is especially by cannot just always figure out what I have eaten last time.

SPEAKER_00 28:52

Yeah, I think I I I think we spoke about maybe recording live from there as well. So watch this space, yeah. Imagine that, yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:00

So maybe maybe we get some some interesting people as well on the show.

SPEAKER_00 29:05

Yeah, I'm all I'm all about getting more blood, anything. I mean, um I'm let's get as many people on. Let's I want to hear about people's eats. I want to hear about if people if people are traveling more than me, uh, and yeah, I want to see people I want to see other people do stupid shit at the as the intro as well. This is nice. This this is this is the value that we're adding to this podcast, you know.

SPEAKER_01 29:27

Doing stupid shit does this doing stupid shit, yeah, exactly. Do you um maybe because like you said you have a hard card and I need to jump on a call. Do you do you have maybe some community best friends which you want to give a shootout here?