#6 Shower Thoughts > Toilet Thoughts 🫪

Joe and Seb are back once again, sitting nice(?) and cosy(???) together at Frankfurt airport for another live episode recording. Almost certainly not because they didn't have the time earlier in the week 👀 In today's episode, we take a slightly disappointing eggy spin on Sebastian's Eats, talk about all of the upcoming excitement for DynamicsMinds 2026, tips and techniques on how to prepare a good session abstract and differences between plugins (or The Artist Formerly Known as Dataverse Skills) and plug-ins in the Power Platform 🤷‍♂️ 

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Transcript

SPEAKER_02 0:00

Hope you will enjoy my dance, Philip. Would you like some sauerkraut? German boy, German boy. Yes, I'd like some sauerkraut. Yeah?

unknown 0:08

No.

SPEAKER_00 0:17

Thank thank you for this outstanding incredible intro. And welcome out there to new episode of Unresolved Dependencies. We're for a very, very, very special episode. Well, gentleman is still at his breakfast where he I'm having some really nice breakfast.

SPEAKER_02 0:37

So it's gonna be Joe's eats today. We've got some really nice uh meatballs supplied by Luftanza. So they do they do good meatballs, apparently as well. Because actually, we're together, Sebastian, we're in a very strange game.

SPEAKER_00 0:48

Well, like there is there is no ball in here between. That's that's weird. Yeah, that's weird. I I learned from my past mistakes, I will not touch you in the came closer to something. So nothing will not happen what you not see on the screen. So if you're listening uh on Spotify or an Apple Podcast, also make sure to check our YouTube for the video material, which is a bit more spicy.

SPEAKER_02 1:16

Spicy just just to see me do this stupid shit. I mean, that's gotta be that's gotta be worth you know at least at least at least a like, you know. A sympathy like, you know.

SPEAKER_00 1:25

We're like two minutes in and we're already batting for like so yeah, welcome to today's episode. As you can hear, we we are actually at the Frankfurt Airport um together in person because we're both traveling, and this maybe already gets us to our first topic.

SPEAKER_02 1:46

Yeah, because we're not weak. We're not we're not holidaying together, are we?

SPEAKER_00 1:49

No, not this time, no we may need to tell the story at some point. We actually did some holiday together.

SPEAKER_02 1:56

We did, yeah. We'll save that for like uh the Blueberts or Special Edition, something like that. Yes, travel is always the name of the game, and of course we always kick off with Joe's travel. So we actually had a person reach out to us really with a guess of where I was going to be next. Unfortunately it was an incorrect guess. Uh huge thank you to our lovely colleague uh Stefan Van Hill, who reached out and guessed that it would be potentially in the UK again next. Uh that wasn't sort of the case. Uh in fact, the correct answer last time was Nuremberg. Oh Nuremberg, city of the toys, of the gingerbread, uh of the nice other things.

SPEAKER_00 2:31

My personal enemy city. I'm just coming from a very close city or a very city very close nearby. And usually this is how it works with like the next the next village or the next city, that you're always not the biggest fan of the next one. So you're more like a hometown girl, and so am I, and I'm from Erlangen, which is pretty close by. So uh Nuremberg is my natural enemy of the city.

SPEAKER_02 2:57

It's like Liverpool and Manchester almost, it feels like almost, almost, yeah. So if I say from you're you're from Nuremberg, you'll get all offended publicly. Yes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, so it's basically the same then. All right. But yeah, we actually, yeah, so we actually got a response back, and it's not because we're forcing our colleagues to listen to this podcast, that's just to spell those rumors now. You know, we're we're not pulling ranch or anything like that. But yeah, um we I would like to, but yeah, yeah. None of us are powerful enough, of course. We don't have that much authority. You're the UK CEO, so you may it's maybe your job to do that. I can I can demand that my UK colleagues do it. Whether they do it is a completely different question, you know. There's certain limits to employment contracts, and I believe that for listening to your boss's podcast is not uh an enforceable contractual term.

SPEAKER_00 3:39

I could be wrong, but we we could handle it as a learning and education option, perhaps.

SPEAKER_01 3:47

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 3:48

So it's part of their goaling for the next appraisal cycle that they they need to do some learning, they need to do some employee development, right? So they need to as well do some training materials. We do use a actually for that, but maybe we can as well slice in our podcast there.

SPEAKER_02 4:05

Yeah, so I'd be like, Yeah, for you know, I write a book and force every employer's space to go read it. You know, it's a free gift, you know?

SPEAKER_00 4:11

We have not not wrote a book yet.

SPEAKER_02 4:12

Yeah, yeah. Who else in history wrote a book and forced everyone to read it? I don't know about in Germany. Yeah, okay. Okay, Nick. Yeah, let's just go down that right. Did you wrote a book so far already? No, no, it's it's still on my thing. I will Is it? Yes, yeah. I will one of these days I'll write a book and yeah, we can see how.

SPEAKER_00 4:29

I just wonder for like new topics, like the moment you closed a book and you you gave it to press and it's going to um uh to publishment, um, it's already outdated.

SPEAKER_02 4:43

This is always what's held me back with anything to do with RTEP because literally, yeah, the screenshots will be out of date, there'll be a new process, it'll be renamed to something else. So it's how can you produce something that you know is going to be good in quality, you know, and expect to sort of kind of update it. But I think they have some mechanism there. Some of the publishers, I think, have some, you know, for a rata, you can update things and stuff like that. So maybe one of these days. So yeah, Nuremberg is where I was last time, and now we've got a clue uh for where we're gonna be sort of next. Um, so this is gonna be a city famous for having a dragon as a symbol, often seen flying from the castle that it has on there. And which interestingly enough is actually twinned with Nottingham in the UK, where old Robin Hood used to be in the sheriff of Nottingham. Nottingham also has some something to do with a dragon, right? Possibly, yes, you might be right. That might be some good trivia there. Yeah. So I didn't know that. It was quite interesting. So yeah, guess where we're gonna be next where I'm gonna be next, uh, or where we're gonna be actually. Um uh uh hello at unresolved dependencies.com. Uh and yeah, you'll get a shout out like good old Stefan if you're looking. Yeah, the link in the description below. Like and subscribe. But you know, traveling, my travel is boring to everyone, but I know that what you're eating, Sebastian, is more than interesting. So go on, tell me what you've been eating this year.

SPEAKER_00 5:53

I mean, you're eating at the moment, which is pretty disgusting for everyone who's listening. I hope this microphone just filters everything out that has to do with food. No, that's your job. Ah, that's my job. I should have finished now, so um, so I I wanna turn this around this time a little bit because I had I had something I ate, which I usually ate, so I have a sweet spot for that. It's it's something like a um something which is like uh I lot people don't enjoy, but it's like something like a guilty pleasure of mine. And it's basically like this pre-made scramble deck, which you get like at um loungers, as we are already uh at the moment in here. Unfortunately not sponsored by Lufthansa. You hear how much this guy travels, so please reach out. Um and um, but also in hotels when I stayed here, and I usually just grab our the biggest bowl and just load into all of that scramble axe which are available, and and that's with some um muesli or cereals is basically my breakfast. And I had in 12 years of traveling for my job not once the situation that this pre-made I I know it's pre-made, it's it's not like relax, it's just something that comes from a Tetra pack and it's just like poured in, cooked up and done. Optimized for maximum protein gain in the minimum. I think it's I think it's just optimized for like um I don't have any efforts to deliver that for 100 persons at one time. So that's very optimized for, not not for any proteins or gains or whatever. But in 12 years of traveling, I never had the experience that like this like pre-made scrambled egg was anything bad. It was always the same, it always had like the same baseline of consistency, okay, on on like the how it's made, and as well the the same taste over the whole time.

SPEAKER_02 7:55

So the confidence more around the fact that okay, you know it's going to be like like consistently okay. It's each time it's comfort around.

SPEAKER_00 8:02

It's a solid four all the time. I know it's a solid four. Usually that's certain to it. Exactly, and and sometimes it bumped up to a six. And no, this week I I was in a hotel and I confidently go to the buffet for breakfast, and I I search for a scrambled axe, I find the scrambled axe, I get the biggest bowl, pour everything out, I go to my table with all of my colleagues because we're there for a workshop, and I start eating my scrambled eggs, and it tastes like shit. Just just just scrambled eggs on their own, no muesli or anything on top, or I I had some fruits and and yogurt because they didn't have quark or something, so um so that that's what it worked with me. But then as well, like I tasted their scrambled eggs and they were like eggs. So they were really bad, and since this moment, I I appreciated, for example, today those scrambled eggs in Lufthansa launch. I just appreciated um to the fact that it's no longer four, it's a six. Yeah, because I know how bad it can be. And I'm I'm a big fan of axe. Um we do it uh for for breakfast many many times, or for in Germany it's called Brothert. So if you if you do like your um yeah, small snack in between, it's usually bread, most German thing ever, with um with some sausage sausage or cheese, and then we often do axe with it, and um it's scrambled eggs or it's um sunny set up or for whatever it is. So me and my girlfriend, we we eat that a lot. And in all of these years, never ever have eggs tasted so badly. So I can't get my head around it. H what they have done to these eggs. Were they actually eggs? You know, it's not to the axe, but there's some shenanigans going on there. Have you been? Maybe, I don't know. Maybe there is but today I had these acts again, um, here as I already mentioned, and they were good again. So there's no agenda against me where I will just say, okay, um, are we good? Or is there something going on between axe and myself? Is the protein maybe it's just having a bad day?

SPEAKER_02 10:11

Everyone can have a bad day once in a while, maybe. The eggs are a brother.

SPEAKER_00 10:14

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:15

Yeah, we can't perform all the time. But do you I mean, do you do that thing where like you crack open like three or four raw eggs and you drink it?

SPEAKER_00 10:22

Like, no, no, no, no. I always thought that was good. No, no, it does this task. It's really no awful. No, no, because it's okay. No, not doing that. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_02 10:34

This is doesn't mind head over at rooms.dependency.com if you do do that. Because I'm actually genuinely interested. Tell me tell me about the benefit that it gives you personally.

SPEAKER_00 10:43

Yes, I would also be super interested in that. Yeah, um, why are you doing that and why why you don't have five minutes to to throw it into your pan and just have an on that? But yeah, yeah, this is my story about food those weeks. Sorry if I have bad food. I mean that's okay. It's okay, it's it's fine, I think. So I I get over it. I know where we where we're going to. Um there will be some there will be some good food because last two years food was very good. Um so maybe we're gonna tease what happens the next days. Actually, when you listen to it, we are more live than ever when you listen to that. It's literally Sunday. Um, and when you listen to this, this will be Monday. And where will we be on Monday?

SPEAKER_02 11:24

Monday, we will be at Dynamics Minds 2026, uh an intergalactic experience devoted to all things that you want to know about the Microsoft Business Applications platform, whether you've just got a bit of an interest in power platform, whether you're more of a BC kind of sort of person or stuff like that, or if you're just pure F and O, Dynamics Minds is the event for you. I saw that like your like your maybe we should use my yeah, yeah, hang on you. Yeah, the podcast isn't working out. I need a job. Wow, I didn't know the podcast wasn't working off with you. This is like the the I'm gonna solve part of you. This is actually yeah, I'm always looking at the next opportunity. Yeah, I don't see that I'm like a cat in that way, you know. Yeah, so yeah, dynamics man is gonna be my or both of our third year, I think. Yes, yes. My third year for sure, I'm not sure. Yeah, when we did a road trip down with our colleague Robert. Um that was quite fun. And last year, um, yeah, I had a bit of a holiday in between with Venice and up to Lake Bled, so that was very nice. This year, again, going up to Lake Blood for a few days afterwards. So, yeah, it should be quite nice.

SPEAKER_00 12:32

You go three times to Dynamics Minds and three times to Lake Blood.

SPEAKER_02 12:35

Yeah, I'm just a creature of habit at this point. Okay, cool. I but I am going to a new place for the first time. I'm not going to mention its name because it's going to ruin things. Um, so there will be there's always some new things to happen here. So but yeah, so Dynamics Minds is a really great event in terms of like three days of content, lots of different sort of sessions, really well sort of organized. What I like about the event in particular is when you go to the keynote, you're expecting it just to be okay, just another like you know, snooze kind of boring sort of thing, but it isn't. It's actually the more the more memorable sort of keynote because they do some pretty fun and wacky sort of things. This year I think it's got a bit more of an intergalactic kind of theme, hence the reason for the thing.

SPEAKER_00 13:15

I have heard some rumors because I'm apparently in a in the same WhatsApp group as Donna, and Donna Donna Schaker is doing the I know I will not pronounce this correctly. I'm sorry, Donner. Um, and and she will she will do the keynote, and there were some hints dropped in this WhatsApp group, which which I'm not able to tell you to default.

SPEAKER_02 13:36

But Donna's donor's keynotes are always very interactive, yes, uh involving great people like us because we because we'd like to get involved, clearly. Um so it's I think we've signed up for it to be involved. It's it's contract we're contract on the bound. That doesn't end up exactly yet.

SPEAKER_00 13:50

Yeah, so sorry, but I'm looking, I'm looking forward to the week. We're and we're doing a session. Yeah, we're doing a session. Actually, when you're listening to that um on the first day that we releases, we have the session on Monday, right at the start of the conference.

SPEAKER_01 14:03

9 a.m.

SPEAKER_00 14:03

9 a.m. Sharp. Sharp. So let's go some of us will not be sharp, but we will all I will be sharp. You okay?

SPEAKER_02 14:11

Let's go for everything that's been done for it. So so who did the presentation? Me. Who did the concept? Me. Um who's done the demos? Me. Um, what have I done for this so far? I don't know. Yeah, this is what I've been doing. This is what I've been doing.

SPEAKER_00 14:26

Uh I think I even have to admit the how you prove the the session abstract because my English is not so entitled as yours. So um and I added a meme or two. That that's my contribution. Oh, yeah, you added two memes because uh yeah. So our story there. So our session is um based on Back to the Future. And what do we want to do? Um we wanna um take you on a road to a little bit of a time travel because both of us are already in the space for for many many years now, and especially in the age of AI. No, I'm not doing this. Um a lot of things have changed, and um even more things have changed to like my first interaction with the power platform, or at this point CRM. And uh we want to highlight this a little bit, and we wanna see like how this compares, what we have learned, what was what was happened, and we do this in a very unique style, I would say. Um, so it's a back to your future themes, and you you brought off all the memes because I watched the movies in German language, and same as for example, Star Wars and all this of the stuff. The things I watched as a kid, um I watched of course in German. Um and it's it's really tough for me to re-watch this in English because I say family with all the voices and the actress because it was not uh was not adopted, was subbed. Um therefore everything was in German, and um therefore I'm not familiar with any of the memes or something. So I, for example, have seen like I would say 95%, I would say I have 100% seen all of the good um episodes of The Simpsons, but I I could not meme it in the right way because I've never seen the English versions of it. I always just have seen the German versions. So I you're responsible for the memes. Yeah, I think I have um I have hitted like one or two of them, or one like I picked one of them, but um overall um you're the master of the memes for that.

SPEAKER_02 16:33

It was quite interesting because I was doing the I was trying to do the jokes with you, like so. If you remember from the film, you know, he um Biff always gets the line wrong, you know, make like a tree and get out of here. Uh whereas you should be saying, make like a tree and leave. Um so I did that whole skit with you, and you were just you just looked at me, you were just like Yeah, I had lots of visible question marks in my face. But apparently the German is slightly different, and I think they do it. And notice is I do this, they do this on each of the different language translations, they always try and localize like the jokes and methods, you know. In German, it's like, okay, why don't you make like a snitcher and then get in my stomach? Yeah, yeah, it's it's it's it's not like that, but it's more violent, actually.

SPEAKER_00 17:08

I think it's more violent. I I thought I I sent it to you once, but I forgot it. But quite interesting. It's uh it's I think it's more violent in that scene. So yeah, it it's pretty interesting how these differences, and then there are like some of these like things people say. Um I I would totally relate to it if I would have seen it in in English some time ago, because I know the scene, I know the the movie or the um the TV series, but apparently I watched it in um German back in the days.

SPEAKER_02 17:37

It makes me realize okay, probably nine times out of ten when I'm dropping these English memes and people just stood there laughing, they're probably just laughing because they don't know what the hell I'm on about and they just don't want to point it out. So it's made me made me sort of appreciate I need to maybe explain my jokes a bit more, perhaps.

SPEAKER_00 17:52

I think so. If you start to explain jokes, you don't need to make a joke anymore.

SPEAKER_02 17:57

Yeah, I'll never do that in terms of that. I'll just get I'll just keep making jokes.

SPEAKER_00 18:01

Not explain the jokes, no. Yeah, but so I what you could have realized is that you have done nothing for a presentation tomorrow morning.

SPEAKER_02 18:08

I'm coming I'm coming, I'm going to be you want to be instructions.

unknown 18:12

Jesus Christ.

SPEAKER_02 18:12

Um doing what I have an agent for that two following. I was supposed to have a costume. I did order a costume, okay. Yeah, that is what um but unfortunately FedEx seemed to have lost it somewhere in Memphis, Tennessee. Um for no apparent reason.

SPEAKER_00 18:25

That's also my question. So why why are you ordering something in Memphis, Tennessee? I ordered it on Amazon, man. Yeah, there is Amazon UK, you know?

SPEAKER_02 18:34

Yeah, Amazon.q.quk, and then there was some UK and then there was some merchant in the US who was offering it. So and I didn't realise until I got home that I hadn't had actually had the parcel through. So again, I'm making excuses. This is on me.

SPEAKER_00 18:50

So I think so. After we have done because we're doing the session for the first time, that's maybe something to highlight for the people. So it will be a bit clunky, I think. There will be a lot of live demo. Um, I hope we will get everything what we need from the Dynamax mines team, but I don't know, I have a lot of trust in them.

SPEAKER_02 19:08

Um we will try and do a bit of a skit at the start.

SPEAKER_00 19:10

Yeah, things. But I think so. If this works, then we will may try to redo that at another conference, and then we can may see if we can improve that and then have the skit done and have the costumes ready for the next.

SPEAKER_02 19:24

I think whenever you approach your session, you may have the same kind of idea or the concept around it, but it's always going to need to be evolving a little bit. Yes, that's it. If you're delivering the exact same session again and again and again, then you're probably not doing something wrong. You're probably doing something wrong there.

SPEAKER_00 19:37

Yeah, you're probably doing something wrong. Yeah, and that's maybe as well a good topic for for today's episode, actually. Um that um, for example, myself, I'm now talking about prejuperations for a long time in all the conferences, and a lot of the time the session title is similar or it's it's slightly involving, but the content is is always changing, it's always like building up or having a new narrative or adding something um which works well or which didn't work well, this will be removed. So it's constantly changing, same as the power platform, actually. And so it's always up to date, it's always and this is as well a hassle to obvious to keep everything uh um pointed eye to like the latest and and newest shit. So even though if you may have thought, oh, I've seen like the session like a year ago, it it will be completely different this year. So um I think as well, it it's it's tremendous important to to always keep up changing the um the session content and always adjusting it as well to to your audience. So sometimes I even make it like in the room when I'm presenting it, and I see okay, we do have a lot of beginners for this topic, so I explain a little bit more and um I just adjust a little bit more on the fly um instead of like preparing it, or I spend maybe more time in the demo for certain parts where I explain more in depth what happens in the background. If, for example, people are already had some hands on with the product and they may not need to see everything in one.

SPEAKER_02 21:04

In a lot of scenarios, the slide decks will be there to kind of hand out afterwards anyway, you know. As I say, you don't want to be sort of like, you know, okay, who knows about plugins in the room? Okay, everyone, okay. Let me spend 15 minutes telling you all the details about how a plugin works and stuff like that. Yeah, it's not gonna be the best you say in one time.

SPEAKER_00 21:19

No, I no, I know it it's yeah, as I I I mentioned this very, very often when I when I take the stage um that I'm not here to hear my voice for 45 minutes to to explain you something. Um I'm here to explain you something, and I'm here for you guys. So that's always like the main part. So like skipping through slides is I think very common and very um usually used in my presentations where I just have the feeling okay, we have explained that, or there was maybe a question that has covered that or something. So I I try to keep it very interactive.

SPEAKER_02 21:56

So with with the ever growing temptation of artificial intelligence kind of at our

SPEAKER_00 22:00

doorsteps how do you sort of today approach um you know an abstract or title in terms of you know you do you you go full AI straight away and then try and de like sebastianify after the fact or how how how to sort of approach it that's very different depending on the session so I of course I have some are we say with the prejudices I think I I do have some better insights in like what could be interesting than the AI so I wouldn't first to spend so much time in um putting everything from my brain into um the prompt or into the instructions or skills or agent or plugins whatever you want to use um and to explain that um correctly that I get something out that is beneficial to me when it comes to a new session I try to do some research with it so I I for example use it for um researching on trends trying to figure out maybe how I can connect maybe certain topics I just right now I have a session in my mind or in my notes app that's like the most important tool when I um come up with a new idea or new session that there is a notes app on my iPhone which has like all of the different session ideas and then from time to time I do is just like add something to that or um I hear something that I want to put in there and um sometimes then maybe when I but very often 99% of the time when I go to the gym there there is just something that yet it clicks because because I think that you think that 50 categories like yeah it's like so it's like so fun because you're like your brain is just occupied with something completely different.

SPEAKER_02 23:42

And it's like same same concept as shower faults so the the the silence in your head actually gave gives you this creativity and you need to you need to make a pause you need to step back or you need to have a break for let this thinking proceed and then very often this happens in the gym or in the far in the shower by the way shower faults bigger than toilet faults really you think yeah I think definitely I I well well we can we can get into the test interview just let me usually I occupy myself on toilet time shall we say so therefore but like I say probably showering walking for me is a good one we can just collect thoughts together and stuff. I found that I try and you know do the hard work myself around the abstract prep prep all that myself in my kind of like my own kind of voice and then I'll maybe use ai to then help me with the titles maybe generate me some funny memey sort of that shit shit ship posty type sort of um title and then also as well maybe just to fix some like grammarly is quite good for me in terms of fixing like mistakes and stuff like that. You don't think so? No my grammar is just not good.

SPEAKER_00 24:53

So grammarly so yeah I use I use grammarly actually pretty nice really yeah that helps me a lot so yeah for for the title I I just like to get ideas and then I kind of form something on my own very often so this is her approach but also what I just wanted to mention in my notes up there's a new session which I want to do for a very long time already but I don't just don't know how to connect the dots and um I just got a new dot to this and um yeah when I I think when I'm back home I will try to figure something out on that. It's more like it's not technical it's more like on the fifth track as you would say so it's more something which goes into like what helps me doing all of this stuff and um doing the presentations and very often I I hear that oh yeah I'm so nervous when I'm presenting something or I could never go on a stage and and talk about this topic what if I don't know the answer to your question and all of this stuff. So I want to address that a little bit with the with the background of yeah lifting going to the gym having all of the sorts of different tasks in my head and responsibilities as well and so I so I want to just address this a little bit and I do have a nice concept but I still need to connect those dots. So this is where I then sometimes or where I use ai to as well like get some ideas flowing in or get like some some drafts uh drafts out of that how the session could like and I want to focus on this or that and I can I then basically can see okay this clicks that doesn't work this doesn't fit in I don't have really to tell something about this so I um I can model it from there.

SPEAKER_02 26:35

But the important thing is use the AI as kind of a an assistant not as a replacement of that you know because people who are viewing these sessions they'll be able to see a mile off if it's something that's been basically completely generated you know it's always going to have that first line in this fast moving pace digital world you know m dash m dash m dash m dash yeah um so and really you know the whole point of presenting the session is we want to people want to hear what you think it's your voice your opportunity so you know don't be going just like 100% in in terms of just okay just write chat GPT write me a whole bunch of stuff use it to kind of as I say maybe guide your thoughts maybe you know put the help with the cherry on the cake type thing.

SPEAKER_00 27:09

So I would have it generate me maybe a 10 15 session titles or maybe okay oh those two look good let me see if I can mash them together and then hey Cristo I've got something which is hopefully eye catching enough and all and always kind of prove it over and and bring your own turn so yeah it does not make sense if your um abstract of your session reads like your your British professor but your actually vocabulary is like something over I don't know I don't want to insult anyone but like um you're just going to school. So so that's definitely something you um you want to have um figured out and because you mentioned it um people looking for those sessions um what things that I have done have already in the past and I lately I'm like really like just deducting points for people who just this just reads like AI or this is just as so much of these like not manual m-dash but like this longer m dashes and I'm I'm a burnt kid by myself because I like to write my emails like with m-dashes so I I stopped doing that yeah because I don't want to think that people um think I'm using AI for that so I completely stopped using m dashes at all in my emads but I have done this actually before a lot um a colleague of ours a colleague of ours had a great suggestion to sort of fix that just put in your starter prompt okay replace all m dashes with like a smiley face or winky face or something and then that way in the big document you can more easily kind of spot it and kind of use it. So yeah so so this is this is definitely something um to to keep track of on and all of the people who are reviewing the sessions they're they're using AI as well so they know how these answers look like and um what is um sounds like in AI and what doesn't and as well if you type in or do it as humanic as possible or whatever it will be spotted.

SPEAKER_02 29:06

So so maybe that's the future you know similar to what Bumble's doing at the moment just have the AI kind of okay right figure all this out together and I'm gonna match you based on you know AI things. Well and and if you match tough you've got it you've got to go at least one date.

SPEAKER_00 29:21

I was sure so maybe perhaps it goes in the direction where you need to pre-present your session or at least like the idea of your session. Everyone's then using AI to prepare their profiles everyone's using AI to present their sessions AI is then reviewing those sort of settings you need to so I think Canadian PowerPoint from someone has done it uh two years ago I think where you need to like conduct a small small video why you should be selective I think this could be something where I uh I see that this is the the foreseeable future for that. Exactly do you know what I learned this week? What did you learn? Many things I'm assuming but yeah not so much but um one thing of them is um what a plugin is say not a plugin in terms of data old school data plugin uh more like in terms of like a I don't know if it's called I don't I don't think it's a call pilot plugin it's like an agent plugin AI plugin I I saw it because I was I was sitting in exam actually it came up as a concept because in agent 365 or when you when you saw in custom copilots you have the option for plugins I think to store and and basically and now for example we we talked just recently about skills yes and um for example the dataver skills um they're just um named dataverse plugins now where I was like um there was a question of like do you do you use dataverse plugin and I was like no what is that I don't know um never never heard of that and then the the uh appointment was going on and on and on and then I realized okay they're talking about the skills they're talking about the dataverse skills the dataverse mcd how many minutes before you realize that uh 25 yeah it was like constantly it was like there were a lot of questions and things like that and it was like there's like you know this build up till the demo restarts all of that and then I was like sitting and then I was like okay let's let's see what the plugin is doing I was like all hyped up and then it was like the demo starting and then they were showing like the diverse skills and I was like this is a plugin. Just call plugins now and no yeah it's plugins and plugins basically is a collection of custom agents skills amcipes all of the tools and like everything combined together this is just a plugin.

SPEAKER_02 31:41

How is it written is it plug dash in or dash right okay so you've got dataverse plug dash ins which is what we've what old phogies like me have been building for uh years decades nearly decades Jesus Christ um it is old I am old yes yes um yeah and then you've got these new plug ins without the dash which it just the collection of everything because we're explaining this to people is just so fun you know it's just like the collection of everything you're gonna use in any kind of AI scenario.

SPEAKER_00 32:16

Yeah and and then you can just collect everything together to a plugin and and this is basically the tool you want to use. It's it's so weird because there's also toolbox on Azure Foundry which is doing something similar but only with connectors or mcps but not without with with agents but agents can use the toolbox it's just so much which is so much the same and so much going to the same direction it's so confusing and I can I can literally build the same feature set so we have the same input and the same output I can build it like in at least four different ways now.

SPEAKER_02 32:49

Do you think moving forward we should just have it so that okay if you can't explain and get a five year old to understand these concepts then it's not something that can move forward as a product initiative.

SPEAKER_00 32:58

It can be great it kind of feel it kind of feels a bit like that it would be great if if that if that could be the case um that this is really something okay that makes sense. I mean in terms of like the the concept of a plug-in sorry not the plug in but the plugin plu plug in not the plug in sorry but the plug in the concept is fine I I'm I'm I'm totally good with the concept that you just collect everything together because we had this issue that we had the we had a requirement and then we figured out okay what is the best way to handle that with GitHub co-product do we have a custom agent? Do we have custom skills? Do we have one custom skill do we have no skills no agents nothing at all? Do we have maybe an MCP? And then what happens if we do have all together say if we have an agent that uses skills and mcp or what the we do just have an agent and a skill and mcps are detached from that they're just available to GitHub Copilot and we tested all through everything through and the result was basically um we're gonna have a plugin hours did you waste to come to that conclusion I wonder two weeks two weeks okay okay yeah billible time was it no research research okay it was not me it was a colleague it was one of my team members who I I gave the task to him so you smart then in that regard okay it was not my time I should spend but it was the colleague's time but still like only to have it tested fruit it was not two weeks it was maybe one week but still it's just to test everything fruit and have like this different scenarios and then have like okay this is the output here this is the output there this is compares like that this is the runtime then of course token consumption then you need to have evolve in terms of the um um the the testing and all of the stuff so so everything comes to to one place and then now we figured out we just have an agent with like a billion skills well speaking of token consumption I think we had this conversation I think on the last episode I think there's some interesting news today in terms of Uber blowing their entire AI budget on uh AI budget on token costs within sort of four months Microsoft I think there was some news story I read earlier in terms of they're now putting back and restricting clawed usage in terms of all the time because again it's quite sort of expensive so yeah we're we're we're rapidly coming full circle it's just like okay yeah let's uh how can we fix this problem junior developers who we we who we who who we who are who are who are cheaper yeah yeah just just uh unleashed your unit junior develop developers again yeah I mean because yeah that that that you know and it'll be it people will then claim they've saved the industry simply just by that simple decision yeah yeah interesting yeah full full full circle within a few months uh from AI everything to junior developers and back um what is back I think we will be back in two weeks with a new episode um I don't know do you have anything else I think we're how are we doing for time I think we've I've got some interesting topics to maybe talk about for exams next time but we'll sort of um we'll leave that as a nice little sort of teaser for the next episode um because yeah we've got to get our well I've got to at least pretend I'm doing something productive for the session with Sebastian um yeah just so he doesn't get too cut in the one and a half hours we have now till boarding he wants to do something productive for our session which is tomorrow 9am sharp so let's see how this will go and if there's still still a session and still episode in two weeks because maybe there are some unresolved dependencies here always are there always there's the room yeah the room is not very big yeah you can just feel the gap between us right now can't you in terms of just widening all the time so is it getting hot in here or it is actually pretty hot in here it's just like I will say this is a pretty good like I've been to I've been to a lot of lounges you know humble wreck um I've never had this concept before these like little sort of little sort of like offices like this this is quite a nice little thing they call it and this isn't even supposed to be the best best of Tanz lounge apparently so I call it a pod but apparently I do this since two hours now and he never used the word pod so apparently this is not going for what did I call it I don't know weird song office it's like a like a bureau I don't know a bureau pod we'll call it a pod call it a pod I'll give him a pod today there you go that's his nice all right then thank you so much um for listening thank you for subscribing liking share everything with your colleagues which people you like which people with you uh with people you hate email us email us about the um traveling with Joe uh where he wants to go over where he will be going next um also email us if you just want to know some things or you have maybe interesting topics we should talk about um yeah to unresolveddependencies.com there you go awesome thank you so much see you in two weeks take care have fun at Dynamics Minds see you there